A Message from Ukraine - Volodymyr Zelensky Audiobook
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A MESSAGE FROM UKRAINE: SPEECHES, 2019-2022
is the only book officially authorized by President Volodymyr Zelensky, and includes speeches he has personally selected to tell the story of the Ukrainian people. It is an urgent call to arms from the leader whose unwavering courage in the face of the Russian invasion has inspired the world and turned him into a global beacon of democracy.
With the following books in ePub format:
* A Message from Ukraine: Speeches, 2019-2022 (Crown, 2022)
* Everything is Possible [ed. Wood] (Skyhorse, 2022)
* In His Own Words [ed. Rogak & Gibbons] (Pegasus, 2022)
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This post has 70 comments with rating of 3.7/5
May 30th, 2023
Thanks for sharing
May 30th, 2023
Thank you!!!
May 30th, 2023
The current Ukrainian government does not care about people. All they want is for the war to continue.
They don’t even hide it. For example, they promise to attack the Crimea, despite the fact that it was peacefully returned to Russia many years ago.
Better watch the series of programs “семен уралов украинская трагедия”. There is a version with subtitles
May 30th, 2023
Indeed, the current imperialist Russian regime does not care about people. All they want is for their war to continue.
May 30th, 2023
More than a tad partisan. So easy to be ‘brave’ when the entire western world is singing your praises and suppressing any negative information concerning your dealings. Those who believe Zelensky really is a man of unwavering courage and a global beacon of democracy will love this. They might also be interested in buying a bridge I’m selling in the middle of London.
Others might wonder how brave a man has to be to skim $400mil from aid given to support your people, as Seymour Hersh claims the Z man has. Or how democratic a country has to be in order to close down all opposition media and imprison opponents.
Snowden, Manning, Assange are names which should spring to mind when talking about courage. Zelensky when talking about posturing and corruption.
May 30th, 2023
Then p’haps Putin’s regime ought not be terrorising & invading sovereign countries, and raping & murdering Ukrainian people.
And of course Putin’s is the first name which springs to mind in the domain of palatial, grotesque corruption.
Moreover “how democratic a country has to be in order to close down all opposition media & imprison opponents” - one of the myriad reasons so many escape Russia to live in Western Europe & elsewhere.
But we must always solely blame the victims of imperialism - your national, ideological custom.
May 30th, 2023
wtf is this, this clown is writing books now
May 30th, 2023
…never mind. Books aren’t your concern.
May 30th, 2023
Biggest conman in the world right now. . well, one of them
How many people need to die there before we wake up..
All of the anti-war people out there suddenly waving the flags of destruction should realize they have been played and at the expense of a lot of innocent Ukrainians.
Caesar, I thought you were smarter than this.
We can all agree on who was wrong in stating this but in the name of the innocent the killing needs to stop and right now there is a false choice being delivered of the industrial war machine that being for Ukraine means giving arms and money to a country who cannot win against Russia unless less then co-opt the kids of the western countries to join in the fight and the beginning of the third World War.
Wake up pleaser this just another scam being committed on the people of the world like Covid. Wake up and realize the people running things are very bad people and nothing they are behind is on the up and up or nothing so far.
May 30th, 2023
Im no Russian stooge but the guys up in thread is not wrong about this regime putting themselves and the wishes of the corrupt west above the lives of their countrymen.
Let’s not forget Ukraine has been in the top five for the most corrupt nations in the world for a decade if not more. That doesn’t make Russian aggression right but it does mean there are a lot people who will be looking out for themselves vs the greater good.
What needs to happen is for the killing to stop. I don’t know where everyone here is from but the mainstream media in the US is. not being honest about the amount of casualties mounting over there.
The right thing to do first and foremost, is stop the killing immediately. Where are the people calling for peace? That should be your first sign that something here is not on the up and up. Anyone who was previously anti war who is now suddenly cheering for the Ukrainians as if cheering for them somehow means no end to the death and destruction and being against more death and destruction is vote against the Ukrainian people. Wake up and trust yourself over what you are being bombarded with just like they did with Covid. The fighting needs to stop otherwise what do you think you are really voting for?
May 30th, 2023
So the Russian invasion is a “scam?” Putin’s imperialist regime terrorised & invaded a sovereign neighbour. Neither combatant can “win.” But you want to put the onus on Ukrainian victims? You want the war to end in a way that benefits the invading aggressor? Should Ukrainians withdraw from their own country now, is that it? How is that “smart?” You’re blaming the victims of rape & murder for being raped & murdered. “Wake up” is right. Ukrainians have the right to defend themselves.
F-ck all imperialists like Putin - and all those who support him.
May 30th, 2023
Thanks Gweilo, for re-uploading this in proper ABB format :-)
The trolls seem to love it <3
May 31st, 2023
Putin really got his money’s worth when he bought Trump. Got a whole army of MAGA trolls to simp for him thrown in. Sadly, Trump couldn’t complete dismantling NATO and cutting off ties with Ukraine in one term, but there’s still hope if he wins in 2024.
May 31st, 2023
No, Russian aggression is very real. What is a scam is getting good people like you to cheer this war on while human beings, at unacceptable numbers are being thrown into the meat grinder all while the merchants of death and war, specifically the weapons manufactures (Raytheon) grow richer. The scam these bad companies getting people like you to run offense for their profit. That’s the scam.
What is controversial or un-good about saying that the killing needs to stop period?
What is your definition of caring about Ukraine?
What has happened to all of you that hearing that said causes so much outrage?
Do you honestly not see how you may be embodying something that is not completely nature to your own nature?
How is being outraged over the excessive killing and the facilitation of continued killing not a legitimate position and why is not yours now when some of you know it would have been in the past? What has changed here?
This is a problem compounded by the human toll. Why are some of your feelings concerning this conflict so unreasonable and uncharacteristic?
Ask yourselves what would genuinely caring about people look like hypothetically and why don’t the two hold in reality? Come on
May 31st, 2023
Why would I cheer Putin’s invasion & war? I made it clear that I utterly condemn it, as all reasonable people should.
However, the bots above who are attacking Ukraine’s right of self-defence, those whom you say are “not wrong” - are the same who continuously cheer Putin’s invasion & war, & blame Ukrainian victims.
They ignore & seek to distract from Russian human rights abuses, genocide, torture, & Putin’s massive corruption.
These Putin cheerleaders who are “not wrong” assert that Crimea “was peacefully returned to Russia many yrs ago.” Is that true, do you imagine?
They encourage you to consume more Russian state propaganda, as they do, “with subtitles.”
Do you think that their concern is for objective truth?
“human beings, at unacceptable numbers being thrown into meat grinder” - Precisely. Russia should not have invaded. They must withdraw.
Getting people to blame the Ukrainian victims of Russian imperialist invasion & barbarism = “That’s the scam.”
Don’t run offence for Putin’s brutal invasion.
Putin’s killing needs to stop, period.
That would be caring for the victims in Ukraine.
“hearing that said causes so much outrage?” - The bots above, whom you believe are “not wrong” cause outrage, because they support Putin’s ongoing war & blame Ukrainian victims.
But you can see all this, if you choose to look. Because “Russian aggression is very real.”
“How is being outraged over excessive killing & facilitation of continued killing not legitimate position” - Try telling it to the Putin regime, which terrorises & invades sovereign neighbours. Why is that regime engaging in excessive killing & the facilitation of continued killing?
Do you know where your outrage ought to be directed? To the invader, or to the victim?
Continuing to blame the victims is not only unreasonable, it’s insane.
Or do you actually think that the victims should not defend themselves, their homes, or their families? That they should surrender to their imperialist attackers?
In that case, what do you think of Munich as a convenient surrender venue?
And then which other sovereign state is to be next on the chopping block? Georgia, p’haps? Or the Baltic States?
May 31st, 2023
Does it need an entire audiobook book for him to say ‘Give me more money’…? The man is a CIA fraud… The Yanks think they’re on another crusade when all they’re doing is laundering tax payers money… Had to pick the Bear, scared of the Dragon… And the US is no longer the good guys…
May 31st, 2023
Sir, I ask you read back what you have written.
I started and ended with a very simple premise: Killing needs to stop.
I understand everyone is outraged. Everyone seems to outraged to think about the needless loss if life.
And let me get this clear for myself: Anyone who is not full-in on the continuation of this war is guilty of being a Russian Shill?
How might one bring up legitimate concern over this war and the human cost?
Do you think had we not supplied massive amounts weapons this conflagration it would still be happening?
It really seems like any criticism of any kind that does not jive with the mainstream narrative is easily put aside by the words you guys seem to utter way too easily.
But what is probably most troubling is you Caesar, one of the most well read and thoughtful individuals on this site, not once actually addressed the loss of life. You spoke to who’s wrong and where the anger should go. Not once did you speak to the massive amounts of Ukrainian lives being thrown away irrespective of right or wrong. You did not speak to absolute destruction of their cities and land.
Please know that I know some of deeply care about what’s happening. Please try to understand that by use continue to supply them with weapons and aid while it is meant to support them it is also allowing the fighting to continue with the greatest losses being exacted from Ukraine. I din’t feel the way I do now at the beginning but I am getting the growing and sickly familiar feeling of being mislead once by same bad actors once again. Should we not be able to look at this critically because at this point that could not seem more unlikely
I think we should be able to talk about this without being accused of working for the enemy.
May 31st, 2023
Yes, the killing needs to stop. So, what then must the invading aggressor do? Simple premise, now.
“Anyone who is not full-in on continuation of war is guilty of being a Russian Shill” - The Putin cheerleaders above are “not wrong?” No condemnation of the Putin regime’s brutal invasion, aggression or atrocities?
“Do you think had we not supplied weapons this conflagration would still be happening?” - No, Putin’s imperial aggression would very likely have succeeded. What then for Ukraine & its people? Do you know anything of the history of Ukraine, and what Russian regimes have actually done there?
What then for the next sovereign state(s) on the list? Are you finally beginning to see the problem?
As for your assertion that I “not once actually addressed the loss of life” - An obvious lie. As I said above, Putin’s invasion has directly caused the rape & murder of Ukrainian people. I repeatedly condemned Putin’s invasion & brutal war. What do you imagine has caused the loss of life?
“You spoke to who’s wrong & where the anger should go.” - So you think that Putin’s brutal invasion & promotion of his unnecessary, imperial war is wholly disconnected from “the loss of life?” That there is no causal link between the Russian invasion/war and the massive amounts of Ukrainians being murdered?
How does that work exactly? Try to justify what you said there.
You’re clearly blaming the victims of invasion for continuing to defend themselves. Do you not think that they know their enemies better than you do? Better than you ever will? That they know their own history, and the genocide that was committed against them (you might want to learn about that)? In that context, do you think that they should now start to repose all of their trust in Putin & the Russian aggressors?
When despotic, lying regimes like that are given what they want, when others surrender, what do you imagine happens next? To the next sovereign state? Do you seriously imagine the murders stop with surrender?
May 31st, 2023
Columbia21 “Killing needs to stop”. Well, that’s a nice idea. How to do it is the problem. Your suggestion seems to be that Ukraine surrenders to avoid violence.
I’m sure Putin, Trump and their minions would like that, but the people of Ukraine have decided not to. And not that anyone here has any impact, but I agree with Zelensky. If you want give it a try, got to the battlefield, lead by example and encourage the Ukrainians to lay down in front of the Russian army and see how that works. I’m sure Putin will be merciful. Just as Adolf was to the countries that surrendered to him.
May 31st, 2023
@caesar963
I think that you are a victim of propaganda because your point of view is very one-sided.
You blame Russia for everything, but:
- it’s not them who organized the coup d’état in 2014, which started this war
- it’s not them who forbids men to leave the country, or catches men on streets to be forcibly sent to the war zone
- it’s not them who expands NATO
Russia tried to settle everything peacefully, and waited 8 long years while Ukraine continued to shell the ДНР and ЛНР.
May 31st, 2023
@Gweilo
You say “the people of Ukraine have decided”. It’s not right because there are many people and they have different opinions.
I think that in 2010 the number of people who supported Europe and the number of people who supported Russia were about the same. I think so because in the presidential elections in 2010, Yanukovych and Tymoshenko scored about the same number of votes. I am writing about 2010 because since then there have been no real elections in Ukraine.
Now the ratio has changed, but still there are a lot of people who have Ukrainian citizenship but support Russia.
The Ukrainian government forbids people to speak their native language.
The Ukrainian government is tearing down monuments, renaming streets and changes holidays to sever ties with Russia. But a lot of people don’t want it.
The Ukrainian government banned the political party “Party of Regions”. Because they are afraid to give people the right to choose.
And everyone already knows about the level of corruption.
So this war is not because “the people of Ukraine” has decided something. The government decided that it is more important than people’s lives. I think changing the government should be enough to end the war.
May 31st, 2023
caesar963 the western propagandist of audiobookbay
May 31st, 2023
let me specify, caesar963 the american propagandist of audiobookbay, where can we find your propagandist posts ? do you have an instagram or facebook page, I’m sure you operate like the zionist Hasbara program
May 31st, 2023
@mytmpmail2015. You’re insane. Your whole post has the premise that Ukraine is the aggressor. Putin bombed Kiev and sent 100,000 troops across the border. That is why there is a war.
Amd cute how you don’t recognise any election since 2010. Zelenskyy won in 2019 with 73% of the vote. He has legitimacy to speak for his country.
Putin started the war. He wants to annex Ukraine. That’s how simple it is. He’s getting old, he wants to have a legacy as the man who restored the Russian Empire.
May 31st, 2023
After EuroMaidan the Ukraine military led by the Azovs was the aggressor against the people of the Donbass. The Minsk agreement was signed with the purpose of ending all the aggression and killing -14, 000 up to Putin’s invasion. Zelensky was elected by a large majority with a mandate to end the civil war with the Russian speaking Ukrainians, and did nothing to further the end of hostilities because he was openly threatened by members of the Azov faction; the ones currently shelling the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant. For some reason Western sources do not reveal this. They give the impression the Russians who hold the plant are shelling themselves. This is how propaganda works.
Everybody wants an end to this war, except perhaps those getting rich on it. The American MI complex, energy suppliers and Mr Z himself.
Any member of the ABB who wishes to debate the start of this war and the reasons for it, is automatically labeled a bot, a troll and a Russian propagandist. Presumably by those who have not endeavoured to discover more about the subject than what they have been told by the western media.Putin did not just wake up one morning and decide to invade.
NATO has played the greater part in bringing about this conflict.
Try and imagine what would happen if Putin or the Chinese wanted to install a military base in Mexico.
America has in excess of 800 bases all over the world.
If Russia were like America under Bush, they would have ’shock and awed’ the Ukrainians in days. But they aren’t. The proof is in the fact Kiev is still standing.
May 31st, 2023
@webby. Even if all that nonsense were all true, and it is not, it would not justify an invasion. It’s wrong morally. You don’t get the right to invade a country because you disapprove of their alignment. It’s also stupid since if Putin’s aim was to keep NATO away while he annexes his neighbours, now he’s caused an expansion and strengthening of NATO, and Ukraine’s military.
Well, you vatniks and Qanon nuts can chatter among yourselves about how cool Putin is and how evil Zelenskyy is for not kissing his ass like Trump does. I’m done.
June 1st, 2023
All that IS true. Not one fact can be denied, though plainly you can call it nonsense and bury your head in the sand. Angela Merkel admitted in an interview not long back, that the Minsk agreement was a ruse to give Ukrainians time to build up their armoury. Little wonder Putin has no faith in the word of Western powers. How to negotiate with someone who won’t keep their word?
Prior to the Russian invasion, Ukraine was amassing troops on the borders of the DPR and the LPR. You may recall the western media warning of an imminent Russian invasion before Christmas 2021. I thought it was needless scaremongering but it was not.It was a warning that if hostilities persisted, Russia would intervene.
You should know that the Maidan coup, which resulted in the overthrow of an elected, if corrupt, government, was achieved with the active connivance of the USA, notable Victoria Nuland and Geoffrey Pyatt.Maybe you’ve heard the recording of a phone call in which they discuss the replacement of Yanukovych.
America has long used the moral ‘right to protect’ as an excuse for invasions of sovereign countries. And invades only countries with which refuse to do business on Washington’s own terms. Syria,Libya, Iraq. Washington and Wall Street reflect powerful elite interests. And they would go to war with any country that wished to install nuclear weapons in either hemisphere of the American continent.Which makes it all the more astonishing that the USA, which makes no bones about what it would do in the same instance,is pouring billions into continuing this war while condemning Russia’s determination to protect its own borders and those people who only wish to live in peace in Eastern Ukraine under autonomous rule such as the populations of countries like Scotland, Wales and to a lesser extent Ireland, have.
I have no idea what a vatnik is, though I suspect it’s not a fond epithet.
I hate what is happening to both sides of the civilian population caught up in this mess.I merely point out that the reasons we have been given for this current situation fall far short of the truth. Its hard to see where it’s all going to end now because Zelensky has declared he won’t negotiate till Russia leaves Crimea. Even though he would have negotiated in late March/April 22, till Johnson intervened.
But the war should stop. And it could. If those pulling the strings would negotiate.
And if the other side could trust them.
I’m appalled that my country has sent depleted uranium shells to Ukraine and intends to send long range missiles too. I can’t stop them. But I’m sure I’m not alone in condemning what the UK government is doing.They’re leading us all headlong into nuclear confrontation.
This has been a reasonably insult-free comment section thus far. How long’s it going to last?
June 1st, 2023
But do we get to hear the prat play piano with his dick?
June 2nd, 2023
This book has attracted a never ending stream of Putinist propaganda. He’s very good at that, not so good at real warfare though.
They parrot his arguments, which are are just Hitler’s pretexts for invading his neighbours, change “Sudetenland” to “Donetsk”.
June 2nd, 2023
I hate russia but i hate ukraine more.. Hey Putin hurry up and nuke the chit-hole ukraine and welfare queen Zelensky… put an end to liberal money laundering scam
American weapons given to ukraine have showed up in mexico in the hands of the drug cartels..
only a matter of time that they are used against americans in a terror attack
June 2nd, 2023
Zelenskyn is demanding that usa supplies them with 20+ stinger missiles which cost $400k a piece (one source said that Zelensky wants 500 plus stinger missiles perday) GFY Zelensky
June 2nd, 2023
In common with the other Putin power-worshippers here (”Putin strong & potent as bull!”), I discovered, from reliable sources such as Max Blumenthal’s Grayzone, Russia Yesterday, & Max Blumenthal on Russia Yesterday, that the sinister Zelensky practices sorcery with plutonium. And it was the resultant Dark Forces which, being unleashed, impelled him to finally mount a full-scale invasion of Russia in Feb 2022. Prior to that, being such an evil sorcerer, he had already invaded his own country. Several times.
Everyone is now invading Russia (I even invaded Moscow myself last week, while not actually having any intention or awareness of doing so. I had taken several bars before finally being forced into unconsciousness) in order to seize Russia’s massive nuclear arsenal, which apparently offers no defensive deterrent whatsoever - how ’bout that?!
It was also reported on Russia Yesterday Once More that the incorrigible Zelensky simultaneously runs all Mexican drug cartels, for some reason, & is engaged in a never-ending battle with Bruce Wayne for control of Gotham City.
And the valiant president for life, Putin, has also released a statement, from his 100 billion ruble palace on the Black Sea, angrily condemning the unelected(?) Zelensky for his unequalled corruption, Jewish sorcery, & for capturing Boy Wonder again.
June 3rd, 2023
I’m from Finland. We have like a parsek’s worth of common border with Russia. They have never played nice. Their leaders have been maniacs through the centuries. Now we are in NATO. Go f*ck yourselves, Lil’putin trolls and opportunists. Slava Ukraini.
June 3rd, 2023
Wow Gwello, you are very out to lunch on what is going over there. I absolutely denounce Russia invasion of Ukraine, and all the murder and death he has caused to the innocent civilians there. But Ukraine is one of the most corrupt countries and Zelinsky is beyond corrupt.
But the fact that you know nothing of the history of the Donetsk region, how all the Russian civilians who live there have been constantly attacked and killed by the Russian speaking Ukrainians in a civil war that has been going on for over 15 years. The most notable aggressor are the Azov battalion, who as I have personally seen videos of, have been proclaiming they are neo-nazis and even showed their tatoos and badges that proclaim them as neo-nazies.
Webby is 100% correct in what he says. Even Putin said at the beginning that he was going to rescue the Russian people from the Nazis, that was who he was referring to. When I first heard that I laughed, and thought Putin had lost his mind. Then I started to RESEARCH the history of what was going on in that region and was shocked what I saw.
Russia wants to take back the Donetsk region, since it is mostly comprised of Russian people who want to be part of Russia, but have been suppressed and killed over this for a long time. So its a lot more complicated than your narrow view and Brainwashed propaganda that Ukraine has done nothing to provoke this and Russia trying to take over Ukraine, which is not true. The truth is there if you can handle facts, which I know libtards cant stand. But the USA and other nations giving Ukraine more weapons and money, is only killing many many thousands of Ukrainians, and is going to start a nuclear war, and China is siding with Russia, so I hope your over 30 years old, or your going to be sent to die in the coming war.
I say Ukraine should give Russia the Donetsk region back, as Russia would have taken it easily if not for us, and if having our cities nuked in the coming war is fine by you, then keep supporting giving weapons to Ukraine. Russia is ready to go nuclear, and China will follow.
June 4th, 2023
I have read many comments from the hyperbolic venom syringe that is Narcaesar. The one above,dated June 2nd, while characteristically sneering in tone and content, is hysterically close to being deranged. It cites no facts, ignores any information which would contradict his inflexible opinion of why and how the conflict started, and imputes fantasy scenarios to troll people and organisations who provide clarity and truth to a proxy war which is getting progressively closer to widening into a worldwide catastrophe.
He does this kind of thing all the time.
Whenever his conviction is not supported by reality, he does not scruple to invent a reality to suit it.
Another characteristic of Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
June 4th, 2023
@illodiini: Language, language.
Finland is now part of NATO. But it has a history of changing sides when it suits. It fought the Soviets in 1940, fought with Hitler between 41 and 44, and switched back again for the last year.
It also fought with the overwhelmingly powerful Americans against Afghanistan,then with the overwhelmingly powerful Americans against Iraq in 2003.
Far from being safer in NATO, Finland is more likely to be dragged into a war, judging by that organisation’s policies so far. The Americans (aka NATO) are pushing China towards conflict by using Taiwan in the same way they’re using Ukraine.
Currently they’re stealing Syrian oil and occupying its wheatfields, in the name of ‘humanitarian intervention.’
That is what Finland is now part of. Openly so, now, though covertly for decades.
June 4th, 2023
Ah, Webfoot, you really have a way with facts, just like your hero and master Lil’putin. We lost a war with Russia, and one term in the peace treaty was that we kick the Germans out. We have never change sides as much as we’ve tried to appear non-committal, but then again, history is for you mostly a make-believe thingy. You may have the luxury of being as mentally unstable as you wish, if the only policy you have to obey is kissing your master’s a$$ and lie through your teeth. And I mean that literally.
June 6th, 2023
@Webby: “The Americans (aka NATO) are pushing China towards conflict by using Taiwan in the same way they’re using Ukraine.”
So, you support any dictator who wants to invade a neigbouring democracy, and somehow lay the blame on the USA in all cases.
You, and Hogweed, are so filled with hatred of your political opponents that you will embrace pure evil if it also opposes your chosen enemy, regardless they commit genocide on others, and give credence to any absurd conspiracy theory that makes you feel comfortable with that.
June 6th, 2023
I think ‘hatred’ is what we see every single day on the news and in the papers. And lest we forget, on here.
This is a truly dangerous situation with implications for the safety of billions. The image one has is of lines of people marching toward the cliff edge of oblivion while shouting insults at those who ask them to stop. Anyone who has taken time to find out the various nuances behind the jingoistic rhetoric would clearly perceive a proxy war between NATO, aka America, and Russia first and foremost,but the rest of the world in time.
NATO should have been dismantled in the early 1990s because it was at that time ostensibly- though not actually - a ‘peace’ organisation and the cold war was over. Since then it has become the spearhead of American business and military interests. And any nation that does not kowtow to it, that challenges America’s dollar hegemony (as Gaddafi did)and does not allow its resources to be exploited by Washington is earmarked like a pig for slaughter.
Gweilo is way off the mark and splutteringly inane with it. His argument calls ‘conspiracy theory’ whenever a fact comes along it cannot subsume into its ‘Putin is evil’ shtick.
And ‘genocide’ when Russia or China are involved, irrespective of the specifics. Which in this case are illuminating.
I’ve written about the role America has played in this and other conflicts and as it’s always called a ‘conspiracy theory’ it makes no sense in reiterating it now. But on the subject of ‘genocide’. The Russian speaking people of the Donbass were subject to a deliberate regime of attacks by the Azov Nazi faction of the Ukrainian military with the objective of removing Russian language from use and Russian culture from Ukraine. Russia was relegated to a second language when some people spoke only Russian, and in the ensuing civil war upwards of 14, 000 were killed. Those were deaths caused with genocidal intent. Just look for the Nazi insignias in news photos, then watch them disappear when they’ve been pointed out. There’s nothing to see here, folks.
If we judge ‘genocide’ by numbers we’d find over two million dead in wars directly and indirectly generated by America in Libya, Syria and Iraq just to name three. In Ukraine so far it’s hundreds of thousands. It’s a tragedy the west has been instrumental in bringing about and no talk of ‘conspiracy theories’ will ever change that fact.
What is happening in Ukraine is appalling and disastrous and catastrophic. But it is not genocide. Zelensky is under orders not to stop it and is already fabulously rich.
‘Dictatorship’is a loaded term too. I live in the UK where certain news sources are banned from the public eye and the government sends ever more powerful weapons to Ukraine to continue the war. I cannot stop that.Journalists are imprisoned and others held and questioned for five hours when they arrive at the airport. But this is a free democratic country…..
If I blame things on the USA it’s because I believe they are to blame. I’m not paid to do so and I don’t just follow one source of news. As most seem to do on ABB. Dispiriting to see such gullibility on a book site.
June 7th, 2023
“But it is not genocide. Zelensky is under orders not to stop it and is already fabulously rich.”
Yep, you are completely insane. Gullible for any Putin disinformation that feeds your prejudices.
Your even crazier statements about Taiwan confirmed that. I have friends and family there. Any day they may be bombed and invaded by Xi’s army. Without American support it would have happened 10 years ago, when the hammer started to come down on Hong Kong. No doubt you buy the elaborate “CIA a inspired revolution” story about that too.
You are so deep in your fantastic conspiracy universe that nothing of reality can influence you.
June 7th, 2023
“Zelensky is under orders not to stop it & is already fabulously rich.” - Finally, someone is voicing this central con theory. It’s unfair that the impoverished Putin is not credible when he says such things. The invaded party doesn’t ever want the invasion to stop. This is obvious. Just like the victims of rape, the same con theorists would agree. It’s merely common sense. Why would the invading party ever say untrue, self-serving things? That would just go against all reasonable truthiness…
People need to finally realise that the only reliable source for factual con theories on Putin being attacked by everyone else - by reality itself - is Max Blumenthal’s Grayzone. It’s the only one that truthful, unqualified Putin defenders can really rely upon & copy/paste from. It’s pointless to look at anything else, as reality is a conspiracy against Putin. There’s so much hate against Putin’s neo-nazi invading forces & the genocidal Chinese regime. Why? Ask Max. Max is the only one who has courageously written about the role the Great Satan has played in this & all other conflicts and as it’s always called a ‘conspiracy theory.’ I mean, they’re airbrushing pictures! Who does that? Not the Kremlin, that’s for shizzle. Just read your history.
The truth is that everyone forced Putin to invade his sovereign neighbours because Putin’s defenceless nuclear-powered utopia was just about to be invaded by everybody else (just as the Chinese regime will maintain, but atm they’re busy ruthlessly imposing fundamental human rights & liberal democracy on Hong Kong - compelling recalcitrant people to be ideologically free, in the grand trad of Rousseau).
It’s also truthy that Putin can never be said to invade or commit human rights abuses up to & including genocide (Russia has no history of this whatsoever - in Ukraine or elsewhere. Neither has China). Only Americans & the “Jeeewz!” can be said to do such things. So it’s necessary for tireless Putin defenders to properly blame Ukrainian victims of rape, torture & murder (”pigs for slaughter”) - because they’re all asking for it anyway, just in order to make impoverished billionaire & “atrocity-adjacent” president for life Putin look bad.
All of those Ukrainian rape & murder victims have recklessly created a truly dangerous situation with implications for the safety of billions of Russian rubles. Merely by being invaded by, er, NATO, or someone like that. (Maybe Israel?) Certainly Putin still can’t believe he’s attacked Ukraine, several times. Or Georgia or Syria. He’s sure that America must’ve done it & then said that he did it. That’s how evil they are. Nothing will ever change that. We can assert unreservedly that they are the real genocide-types. Yet all the gullible peeps on the net believe that Putin is the invader!
But all the “genocides” in other contexts? Then it becomes a more loaded & nuanced term. Much like “dictatorship,” “torture” & “human rights violations.” When we look at it from a certain point of view, European states are the only real dictatorships.
Anyone who takes the time to slavishly copy & paste from the Grayzone can see all this pravda, and create all the required, nuanced connections for themselves.
If Max Blumenthal blames everything on the USA it’s only because he believes it to be most expedient to do so, & essentially consequence-free to say what you like in a rule of law state. He’s certainly not paid to do so & he doesn’t just follow the Kremlin line.
June 7th, 2023
The words ‘Max’ ‘Blumenthal’ and ‘Grayzone’ seem to be recent additions to your lexicon, and you’re showing them off like a girl flouting her new dress at a prom.
I wonder you can bear to read such stuff, or maybe you’ve just been told of them. I wonder with what kind of eye you scanned the Grayzone.Both shut I suppose, lest some wayward truth slipped through.
This ‘cut and paste’ shenanigans: Unlike yourself I do not ‘cut’n'paste’ without attributing the source. I leave such things to those practiced in the ‘art’. People with a lot more experience of passing others’ words off as their own.
First off: the Pandora Papers revealed Zelensky to be a billionaire. Deny it, decry it, it’s true. And Seymour Hersh revealed recently that Zelensky skimmed $400 million from money given Ukraine by the US to purchase fuel. And Zelensky sacked twelve senior advisers who were lining their own pockets on aid money.
All this, and all the other stories are conspiracy theories because Why? Because you say so. And whereas your sources can be trusted because, well they can, any other news from any other source whatsoever is pure conspiracy theory and not to be believed.
Really? Really?
Does any of this edifice of determination begin to shake when the New York Times, of all sources, reveals that Ukrainian soldiers on the front line are wearing Nazi insignia and driving tanks emblazoned with Nazi symbols?
Course it doesn’t. Your sources are solid, all others quoted on here are cut and pasted from ‘hate sites’.
And Taiwan would have been invaded ten years ago if not for the US. Gweilo says so, and it must be true cos he’s got relatives there.
Can’t argue with that kinda logic.
On the subject of people getting paid for writing propaganda: The US has dozens of organisations spreading disinformation around the globe, from the CIA to the NED, the UCHR, the FBI, the FU2 (I made that one up but there could easy be one with that acro. The amount of US funded orgs is phenomenal)
And they’re all telling the God’s Honest Truth. Indeed, there’s likely a room full of cyber trolls called the GHT.
This is how it goes: deride all the sources of alternative news as Russkie-funded propaganda and swallow whatever the mainstream media say. Babies on bayonets, babies thrown out of incubators, Saddam’s got WMD, and the Veetcong fired first. It’s all true folks! They know what’s what.And they’re always right! Now they’re telling you the Russkies blew the Nova Kakhova dam.Just like they blew their own Nord Stream pipeline. And of course, er, you believe them. And anybody who doesn’t is a fully paid up(by Putin) antisemitic trot bot.
You couldn’t make it up.
But I bet you could cut’n'paste it.
June 7th, 2023
“‘Max’ ‘Blumenthal’ and ‘Grayzone’ seem to be recent additions” - But for you, Wobbly1933! They’re absolutely central to your bot bible. You slavishly track their con theories.
“like a girl flouting her new dress at a prom” - That’s an odd simile for you, I thought you were a proud Brutish imperialist?
“I wonder you can bear to read such stuff” - mostly when I read your copy/paste efforts.
“maybe you’ve just been told of them” - Like the way Max tells you the “news?”
“wayward truth” - Truth? On the Grayzone?! Willya get up the yard, Wobbly.
“without attributing the source” - Nah, remember I repeatedly asked you to reveal your internet source for all your bizarre con theories relating to the despotic tyrannies & genocidal ideologies you mindlessly support? You always refused. How coy you were! Turned it out it was just Max all along. You pass his falsehoods off as your own. And he sources from his “reliable” friends in the East. So they’re intensely faded falsehoods by the time they reach your isolation, heinrich.
“Zelensky…billionaire” - Oy. Wobbly, you shill for a dictator who is very possibly the richest man in the world, with untold corruption to his “credit.”
“And Seymour Hersh revealed recently that Zelensky” - Your rampant deceit is showing again, heinrich. Seymour did not “reveal” - Seymour “alleged.”
The long-standing criticism of Hersh & his anonymous, uncertain sources was renewed following his 2017 article on the Khan Shaykhun chemical attack, publ by Die Welt after LRB editor Mary-Kay Wilmers told him she “didn’t want to be accused of being too pro-Russian & too pro-Syria,” & Hersh’s 2023 post on the Nord Stream sabotage, self-publ on Substack. (Bloomfield, Steve (Jul 17, 2018) “Whatever happened to Seymour Hersh?”. Prospect).
Why are you not outraged about Putin’s nazi supporters, and their gruesome presence in Ukraine & Syria? You always give them a free pass for some reason.
Do you still know nothing of what the Russians have done to Ukrainians, past & present? I can understand justifiable anger at a genocidal empire - yours, or the Russian iteration. And the Russians are doing it all over again, creating new, scarred memories. And you support them, because they attack a weaker neighbour.
You seek to constantly denigrate the Ukrainian victims with weaponised lies & abuse, in order to “justify” (in your perverted imagination) Putin’s invading army of murderers, rapists & torturers. Does it all just come down to power-worship for you? Do you get off on that sick shyte?
“Taiwan would have been invaded 10 yrs ago if not for US” - Well, what do think is holding China back? Their unstinting humanitarianism?
You don’t know of their incessant threats against the Taiwanese people? The regime cannot tolerate Taiwan’s separate existence, because they are aggressive imperialists. You’re also completely deaf (& very dumb) to what’s going on in Hong Kong right now? What has been going on in China & Tibet for decades? Tellingly, I’ve invited you on multiple occasions to condemn the ongoing genocide of the Uyghur people - but you ignore & distract with Whataboutism? - thereby tacitly approving it.
“Russkies blew the Nova Kakhova dam” - Well, of course they wouldn’t do that, would they? In the context of their invasion of Ukraine? Impossible. Just like the Russians couldn’t ever have been responsible for the Mariupol theatre airstrike, eh? Didn’t your Max Blumenthal & The Grayzone also “reveal” that Ukrainians were murdering themselves again with that attack? Max even said it was the Azov Regiment as well! It’s all the fault of Ukrainians, of course. The entire Russian invasion.
Your Victim Blaming, 101, strikes again. Like the bully in the schoolyard with his “Why do you keep hitting yourself?” attack. You’d worship that bully too. Because such characters as Putin can do no wrong.
“You couldn’t make it up” - But you just did.
“But I bet you could cut’n’paste it” - Oh, You certainly could - your trade “secret.”
Your Putin pravda - it’s the only true propaganda.
June 7th, 2023
And what about your latest utterly bizarre con theory, that the evil Zelensky is under orders to keep the Putin-led invasion of Ukraine going? What does Max have to say about that prize piece of prop bot ordure, tankie?!
June 8th, 2023
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June 8th, 2023
@Webby “And Taiwan would have been invaded ten years ago if not for the US. Gweilo says so, and it must be true cos he’s got relatives there.
Can’t argue with that kinda logic.”
I mentioned that because I lived 6 months in Taiwan and 30 years in Hong Kong; I give a sh1t about those places and the people who live there still, they are not pierces on a board game or possessions of some dictator. I know the intelligence and integrity of the people there and they are not tools of some imaginary American plot.
I have seen at first hand what the CCP is doing now it has control of Hong Kong. It is unadulterated evil.
You’re just playing an online game, based ultimately on disinformation that you choose to credit. You have no knowledge of reality, no appreciation or care that there are real human beings being imprisoned or murdered by the dictators you support.
June 8th, 2023
Really illuminating to discover that most of the far-right basement fascists on this site are also blushing Putin fanbois. He’s not going to fück you kaputniks, except maybe metaphorically
June 8th, 2023
The narcissist is back. And this time he’s brought along his ‘friends’. Even little tenbenson wants a shot. And you can tell he’s learned a few tricks from Narcaesar. Viz, attributing traits to others which are quite obvious in his own ‘character’.
It’s wonderful to see worshipping little proteges attempting to strike out on their own.
tenbenson calls me a ‘far right basement fascist, and a ‘blushing Putin fanboi’ with the latter word spelt thus in order to show his ’street’ cred. Really it’s just a way of displaying his attachment to demotic fashion while being unaware he’s a Zelensky ‘fanboi’. Cute. But if I were to deny all spurious fatuities I’d be here all day. Narcaesar, Gweilo and the aforesaid tb fill their comments to overflowing with them.
Putting words into someone’s mouth and then criticising them for what they didn’t say,is a prime characteristic of the manipulative narcissist.
As per,one has to tread through all the sludge to find something to contend with.
It’s tedious reading such stuff - there you go Narcaesar , that’s another one to copy and paste with some predictable comment.
Just one of the difficulties in arguing with someone such as Narcaesar, is that he’s such an unpleasant troll that one could not bring oneself to agree with anything he says even if it were true.
He’s found The Grayzone but it’s made no impact on his world view. Believes it’s all lies. Easier that way.
The Ukrainian army, fighting to ‘liberate’ the Donbass because it cares about the people, is using depleted uranium shells. They contaminate the land and cause birth defects. Lies?
Biolabs in Ukraine - lies?
Nuland and Pyett discuss who’s replacing Yanukovych - lies?
Nazi insignia - lies?
Azovs mutilating POWs -lies?
Zelensky skimming 400 mil - lies?
The war could have ended in late March-early April 22. Negotiations between Zelensky and Lavrov were cancelled after the visit by Boris Johnson to Ukraine. Presumably that’s a lie too?
Zelensky is being pressured by the Azov faction of the military not to negotiate. - a lie also, one supposes?
Most wars end in negotiation. A country that will not negotiate or places unreasonable terms conditional to negotiation, is bound upon a course of continuing that war. I suppose that’s a little subtle for the rabid warlords on here, but there it is.
Gweilo says ‘what the CCP is doing in Hong Kong is unadulterated evil’. Way over the top there, Gwealy boi.In what way is it ‘unadulterated evil’? China’s response to Hong Kong protests have been considerably milder than American police treatment of BLM protesters.And 25% of the world’s prisoners are held in American jails. Let’s not mention Guantanamo either. There’s ‘unadulterated evil’ for ya!
What is happening in Taiwan is another version of Ukraine post 2014.American sponsored unrest with the intent of drawing China, as it did Russia, into a conflict profitable to the American MI complex and business interests tied to Washington.Irrespective of how many collateral deaths occur.
The Chinese-Uyghur situation appears to have arisen out of unsubstantiated claims of organ harvesting and forced sterilization and internment camps based on information supplied by American funded expat organisations and one German academic called Adrian Zenz, a hardline Christian fundamentalist who has declared himself to be on a ‘mission from God’ to destroy China.
And everything he says is believed. Even though every other seemingly collaborative source is being funded by scores of American NGOs to the tune of millions of dollars.
Whatever the corporate media says is believed and repeated by all the bad faith trolls on ABB without question. That’s ’slavish’ for ya! And whatever anybody else writes with a view to presenting an alternative view is criticised by the same brain-depleted chorus. That situation won’t change, and neither will my resolve to challenge it.
The Grayzone is just one of many sources to be found around the net, challenging the state-sponsored corporate media line. Lee Camp, The Duran, Redacted, Jimmy Dore, George Galloway and many others are also reliable counter-prop sources. They’re the ones Narcaesar will deride and discount as Putin bots simply because they present a narrative counter to his own beliefs.It’s so much easier to dismiss out of hand those he doesn’t agree with, instead of examining what they have to say. Twas ever thus. And twill ever be so.Those who believe everything they’re told are afraid to think for themselves.
You can cut’n'paste that last line and append another easy comment, Narcaesar, if it helps you to continue ‘thinking’ you’re a bright boi. You’ve got a lot more time for such things than I have.
June 9th, 2023
Webby: “China’s response to Hong Kong protests have been considerably milder than American police treatment of BLM protesters.And 25% of the world’s prisoners are held in American jails. Let’s not mention Guantanamo either. There’s ‘unadulterated evil’ for ya!”
Blah, blah, blah whataboutism. On the other side of the world someone was unjustly arrested. So no one can ever criticise China.
“Taiwan is another version of Ukraine post 2014.American sponsored unrest with the intent of drawing China”
WTF are you talking about? What “unrest”? They have elections, they have had since 1947. They are not rebelling against China, they have never been part of the PRC. Where it is similar is that they are an established democracy with a huge autocratic neighbour that thinks they have the right to invade them because centuries ago they were part of their empire.
You combine all the worst qualities of the MAGA cultist, the Chinese wolf warrior, the Russian vatnik. Just choose whichever absurd conspiracy story that allows to to blame the evil USA for anything, exonerate the dictators.
Russia invades Ukraine: USA forced them, Jewish Zelensky is counting his gold kickbacks.
China locks up thousand of peaceful protesters, shuts down newspapers, criminalises singing songs, purges libraries: Whatabout Guantanamo?
You are a completely gullible loonie, and even more verbose than Caesar with your flood of remixed Russian and Chinese disinformation.
I leave you to spin your BS.
June 9th, 2023
Wobbly1933 - You actually go as far as to explicitly deny genocide in your post. It is of course crossing an ultimate line, but I’ll reserve judgment here.
You attacked other posters because they correctly identified your ranting lies. Gweilo fairly offers actual experience & knowledge of the oppressed people of Hong Kong, together with the very real & legitimate fears of the people of Taiwan; & he presents stubborn geopolitical facts, & all you have in confused response is a rushed copy/paste effort from Grayzone’s Kremlin-sourced, proven falsehoods, & your hateful prejudice.
“one has to tread thru sludge” - Interesting that you describe the truthful detailing of the most grave human rights abuses as “sludge.” This clarifies your position on people’s fundamental human rights, without a doubt. You clearly support & are an apologist for genocide.
You diminished the crucial importance of fundamental rights before, with your inane “Human rights blah blah.”
“Grayzone made no impact on his world view. Believes it’s all lies” - Proven to promote falsehoods & the regime propagada of Putin, Assad, CCP & assorted tyrants.
The Grayzone & Blumenthal have denied the genocide in China. The genocidal Beijing regime has approvingly tweeted links to Grayzone articles on this.
During the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, Blumenthal falsely claimed Mariupol theatre airstrike was responsibility of Ukraine’s Azov Regiment rather than Russian forces.
Grayzone publ an article by Blumenthal & Benjamin Norton which cast doubt on Syrian govt’s responsibility for the 2017 Khan Shaykhun chemical attack. Blumenthal & Norton cited a report by Seymour Hersh which said sarin was not used in the attack. A week before their article was published, the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons confirmed the presence of sarin & a UN investigation later confirmed Syrian govt was responsible.
Grayzone routinely publishes false material, stating that a Chemical Attack did not occur in Douma, Syria, for inst.
They have also promoted con theories, such as claiming that Pete Buttigieg is a CIA agent. There is no evidence to support this claim.
Grayzone promotes con theories involving George Soros funding regime changes, & the editor Max Blumenthal claims that Bill Gates ran a Covid simulation before it occurred. This is false.
And their lies have clearly created your worldview, Wobbly1933. You “think” all their con theories are true, so you dutifully & slavishly copy & paste them all.
“to ‘liberate’ the Donbass” - You now deny the Russian invasion? You falsely maintain that this didn’t happen?
“They contaminate the land & cause birth defects. Lies?” - You “think” the Russian invasion, the human rights violations they constantly commit, their widespread destruction of the land, human bodies & lives - indicates that they “care about the people?”
P’haps Putin ought not have launched destructive, imperial invasions of a sovereign neighbour in the first inst. Then no military damage or destruction.
“Biolabs in Ukraine - lies?” - Your copy/paste efforts are indeed lies. In Mar 2022, during Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, Russian officials falsely claimed that public health facilities in Ukraine were “secret U.S.-funded biolabs” purportedly developing biological weapons, which was debunked as disinformation by multiple media outlets, scientific groups, & international bodies. The claim was amplified by China’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs & Chinese state media, & was also promoted by followers of your QAnon con theory & subsequently supported by other far-right groups in the US. Yet more of your reliable sources?
Russian scientists, inside & outside Russia, have publicly accused the Russian govt of lying about evidence for covert “bioweapons labs” in Ukraine, saying that documents presented by Russia’s Defense Ministry describe pathogens collected for public health research (Mackey, Robt (17 Mar 2022). “Russia Is Lying About Evidence of Bioweapons Labs in Ukraine, Russian Biologists Say”. The Intercept.). The “bioweapons labs” claim has also been denied by UN, & the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists (”China & QAnon embrace Russian disinformation justifying war in Ukraine.” France 24. 2022-03-12. - and - Landay, Jonathan; Pamuk, Humeyra; Lewis, Simon (2022-03-11). “U.N. says no evidence to back Russian claim of Ukraine biological weapons program”. Reuters.)
Political scientist & espionage scholar Thomas Rid suggests this may be a case of the Kremlin “accusing the other side of the thing they are in fact doing” based on historical precedent (Collins, Ben; Collier, Kevin (14 Mar 2022). “Russian propaganda on Ukraine’s non-existent ‘biolabs’ boosted by U.S. far right”. NBC News). This is your “accusation in a mirror” tactic.
In the 1980s, when the Soviets deployed chemical weapons in Laos & Afghanistan, Soviet-aligned press published disinformation alleging that the CIA was weaponizing mosquitoes (The U.S.S.R.’s AIDS Disinformation Campaign. Ann Arbor, Michigan: U.S. Dept of State. 1987). False Soviet reports blaming HIV/AIDS on the US, commonly called Operation INFEKTION, also aimed to distract from contemporary Soviet activities. Additionally, Thomas Rid stated that the right-wing adoption of the Ukraine bioweapons conspiracy theory may be influenced by the COVID-19 lab leak theory.
The Kremlin has a history of fomenting conspiracy theories about ordinary biology labs in former Soviet republics, having previously spread propaganda about Georgia & Kazakhstan similar to recent accusations deployed against Ukraine. (Fichera, Angelo; Klepper, David (12 Mar 2022) “Russia’s bioweapon conspiracy theory finds support in US” San Francisco Chronicle. Archived from the original on 27 Mar 2022. - and - Rawnsley, Adam (2022-03-18). “What You Don’t Know About Russia’s ‘Bioweapons’ Bullsh*t” The Daily Beast. - and - Stronski, Paul. “Ex-Soviet Bioweapons Labs Are Fighting COVID-19. Moscow Doesn’t Like It” Foreign Policy. - and - “A US-funded lab in Tbilisi, Georgia fights COVID-19 — and Russian disinformation”. Coda Story. Mar 18, 2020.)
For example, the Kremlin made false accusations against the public health facility, Lugar Research Center in Georgia, as the research centre worked on fighting against the COVID-19 pandemic. The labs have been widely observed by international partnerships since the Nunn–Lugar Cooperative Threat Reduction, which was estab to contain & eliminate weapons of mass destruction (nuclear, chemical, & bio) left behind in the former Soviet Union. When this threat reduction was complete, the research facilities, owned by the newly independent countries, began the task of public health research, incl monitoring & preventing new epidemics. The Dept of Defense provides “technical support to the Ukrainian Ministry of Health since 2005 to improve public health laboratories” as part of a continuation of international agreements to reduce biological threats, but does not control or provide personnel to the public health facilities. (Kessler, Glenn (11 Mar 2022) “How the right embraced Russian disinformation about ‘U.S. bioweapons labs’ in Ukraine”. Washington Post. - and - Palmer, Ewan (2022-03-08) “U.S. biological weapons in Ukraine — separating the facts from the fiction” Newsweek. - and - “PolitiFact - There are no US-run biolabs in Ukraine, contrary to social media posts”. PolitiFact.)
“Nuland & Pyett discuss who’s replacing Yanukovych” - A conversation is, in your unbiased view, equivalent to, or even more egregious than, Putin’s imperial invasions, mass murders, rape & torture?
“Nazi insignia - lies?” - Again, you’re trying to justify Putin’s invasion, mass murders, human rights violations, the rape & torture against Ukrainian victims by implying that the Ukrainian people themselves are really to blame. Whereas the truth is that Russian units who took part in the invasion are themselves nazis & linked to neo-nazism, such as the Rusich Group & Wagner Group. Russian neo-nazis also played an important role among the Russian proxy forces in Donbas, & were in action against Syrians.
Again you blame the victims; again you support the perpetrators. The Putin prop effort has is the same. Putin regime cultivated its own homegrown Nazis. Ukrainian state has protected minorities like Crimean Tatars & LGBTQ+ people, who are subject to brutal persecution in Russia. Neo-nazi Russian militias fight on behalf of Russia, in Ukraine & Syria. While some joined Russian mercenary companies - Wagner is best known - an unknown number joined, & trained under, Rusich, as well as the Russian Imperial Movement & its paramilitary unit, Russian Imperial Legion.
Milchakov, a former paratrooper, & avowed Nazi, has been identified as the co-leader of Rusich, along with Yan Petrovsky. The group is explicitly affiliated with Wagner.
Both Milchakov & Petrovsky fought against Ukraine as volunteers in the Donbas in 2014 and 2015 & have openly displayed patches awarded to them as part of “Union of Donbas Volunteers.” At the time, however, Russia repeatedly denied its forces were fighting in the Donbas, falsely asserting that the local forces battling Ukrainian troops were merely local partisans.
Day of Russian invasion, head of the Russian Imperial Movement, Denis Gariyev, posted on his Telegram channel: “Without a doubt, we are in favor of the liquidation of the separatist entity Ukraine.”
The group has provided paramilitary-style training to white supremacists & neo-Nazis in Europe & works to rally these groups into a common front against their enemies. The movement has two training facilities in St. Petersburg, used for woodland & urban assault, tactical weapons, & hand-to-hand combat training.
A few wks after Gariyev’s Telegram post, the organisation’s combat training centre, called Partizan, announced recruitment of volunteers to fight in Ukraine.
Gariyev also created a related organisation called Reserve Squad, which received multimillion-dollar orders from the Interior Ministry, Federal Security Service, & Federal Protective Service, which is govt agency charged with providing bodyguard protection to top Kremlin officials.
“Azovs mutilating POWs -lies?” - In Sep 2014, near the Luhansk Oblast village of Shchastya, Rusich (the Russian neo-nazi militia) militants battled Ukrainians. Ukrainian news reports said dozens of Ukrainian soldiers were killed. Afterward, images of mutilated & burnt bodies circulated online, & Milchakov later openly bragged about photographing the bodies.
Atrocities are perpetrated when sovereign countries are invaded. The invader commits the vast number of atrocities, upon civilians also, with all of their brutal actions succeeding on their initial atrocity - that of the invasion itself. Or are you suggesting that invasion of a sovereign country is to be supported?
Russian forces unlawfully detained & tortured people in a torture centre & in other facilities in Kherson & vicinity during their occupation of the area betw Mar & Nov 2022.
In the Kharkiv region, liberated during 2022 Ukrainian authorities also found evidence of child torture, including two in the town of Balakliya. One of the children who had been held in the torture chamber described being cut with a knife, burnt with heated metal & subjected to mock executions.
In the town of Balakliya, which Russians occupied for 6 mths, forensics specialists, human rights activists, criminal law experts, & Ukrainian investigators found extensive evidence of war crimes & torture. During the Russian occupation, troops used a two-story building named “BalDruk” as prison/torture centre. Russians also used the police station building across the street for torture. Around 40 people were held in torture chambers during occupation & subjected to various forms of violence, incl electrocution, beatings, & mutilation. One of those arrested (because he had picture of his brother in Ukr uniform) & tortured reported hearing screams through walls. At least several Ukrainian prisoners died as a result of torture. Aleksander Kulik, head of the information dept of the Derhachi city council, stated that several young women were subjected to gang rapes that lasted for several days.
In Izyum, which Russian army occupied on 1 Apr 2022, & which Ukrainian forces liberated Sep 2022, journalists for AP found ten torture sites. An investigation found that both Ukrainian civilians & POWs were “routinely” subject to torture. At least eight men died there while under torture.
A 52-year-old woman was taken by Russian soldiers in occupied Izyum and repeatedly raped while her husband was beaten. She was arrested on 1 July along with her husband, bags placed over their heads, they were taken to a small shed which served as a torture room in Izyum. Russian interrogators told her they would “beat the ‘Ukrainian’ out of (her)” & that her body would never be found. They forcibly undressed her, groped her, & told her they would send photos to her family. The woman was raped repeatedly by the commander of the unit over three days, while other Russian soldiers beat her husband. The rapist would then describe raping her to her husband. She tried to hang herself, but failed. The Russian soldiers began torturing her with electric shocks to her feet, while laughing at her pain. The Russian commander obtained the woman’s bank number & stole funds from her account. The woman & her husband were released on 10 July, dumped blindfolded by the Russians at a nearby gas station. They made their way to a part of Ukraine not occupied by Russians, & when Izyum was liberated in September, returned home.
In Jul 2022, The Guardian reported on torture chambers in Russian-occupied Zaporizhzhia based on testimony of a 16-year-old boy who was held in one of them beginning in Apr. The boy was arrested by Russian soldiers while trying to leave occupied city of Melitopol because he had video on his phone from social media, which featured Russian soldiers expressing defeatist attitudes towards Russia’s invasion. He was held in makeshift prison in Vasylivka. According to his testimony, he saw rooms where torture took place, as well as bloodstains & soaked bandages, & heard screams of people being tortured. Torture involved electric shocks & beating & could last for several hours.
A Russian makeshift prison that functioned as an FSB torture chamber was also discovered in the liberated Kherson city. Ukrainian authorities estim number of people who had been imprisoned there to be in the thousands. Among other instruments of torture, FSB officials used electric shocks against the victims.
After liberation of Kherson by Ukrainian forces from Russian occupation Ukrainian investigators discovered Russian torture chambers established especially for children. According to testimony, the children were denied food & given water only every other day, were told their parents had abandoned them & forced to clean up the blood spilled by torture in the adjacent torture cells for adults.
Overall Ukrainian authorities uncovered ten torture chambers in Kherson region, four of them in the city itself.
Peter Pomerantsev of Time magazine commented on the systemic nature of the torture, the consistency of methods across different regions indicating that torture was a policy of the Russian army rather than rogue soldiers acting against orders.
Torture chambers, along with mass graves, have been discovered in the Kharkiv areas. The Regional Prosecutor’s Office stated that “Representatives of Russian Federation created a pseudo-law enforcement agency, in the basement of which a torture chamber was set up, where civilians were subjected to inhumane torture.”
“Zelensky skimming 400 mil - lies?” - For Putin, who is apparently the richest man in the world, to have caused all of this mass murder, rape, torture & suffering, & for you to slavishly support & worship him for his power, is utterly astounding. And that’s the honest truth.
“war could have ended in Mar-early Apr 22″ - It ought to occur to you that Putin’s brutal invasion & terror should not have happened in the first place.
“Zelensky pressured by Azov not negotiate. - a lie also, one supposes?” - Everything you assert is baseless con theory & regime propaganda (see above - & everywhere else). So what do you imagine?
“Most wars end in negotiation” - It’s actually a brutal imperial invasion.
“country that will not negotiate or places unreas terms to negotiation, is bound upon a course of continuing war” - The imperial invader who began the unreasonable attack in the first inst, & is insanely bound on continuing the conflict which they began, also wishes to seek concessions? Neither party can win. Putin needs a way out of his catastrophic failure. His policy has completely backfired, forcing sovereign neighbours into NATO, & unprecedented sanctions & asset seizures have deprived him & his gang of much of their ill-gotten billions. He is an increasing liability. All tyrants end in failure, I suppose.
“rabid warlords on here” - You cheerlead for genocide, sneer at the victims, scorn human rights & support Russian neo-nazis. Not a good starting point from which to critique notional warlords.
On the Chinese regime’s “unadulterated evil” & abuse of prisoners & enemies of the state, which you deny, & attempt another “WhatAboutAmerica” as a distraction measure, I’ll cite some of these crimes against humanity. In the Xinjiang concentration camps, the mass internment of Uyghurs & other Turkic Muslims in the camps has become the largest-scale arbitrary detention of ethnic & religious minorities since WWII. Uyghurs, as well as Kazakhs, Kyrgyz & other ethnic minorities, are held in the camps.
All of these human beings have been arbitrarily detained in “re-education” or “de-extremification” facilities since 2017. More than 380 suspected detention facilities in XUAR have been built or expanded since 2017.
“25% of world’s prisoners held in Amer jails” - According to a Human Rights Watch report publ in Jan 2021, the official figure of people put through the Chinese concentration camp system is 1.3 million. Enormous numbers of other people detained, imprisoned, tortured, raped & executed by such a regime would of course be “off the books” & unofficial.
Waterboarding, mass rape, & sexual abuse are among the forms of torture used as part of the indoctrination process at the camps.
“Taiwan another version of Ukr post 2014.Amer sponsor unrest w intent drawing China, as it did Ru, into conflict profitable to Amer MI complex tied to Wash.Irrespective collateral deaths.” - More mindless con theory nonsense. Here again, you demonstrate no knowledge of the history of the region, its present, or its conflicts. The decades of threats against Taiwan. You again offer a general-purpose, transferable con theory; your received copy/paste job.
I thought you’d finally deny genocide of the Uyghur people (incl Kazakhs, Kyrgyz & other ethnic minorities) - you tried the transparent tactic of deceitfully not mentioning or responding to it for a long time. Remember, when you deny a genocide, you support that genocide.
“Chinese-Uyghur situ appears to have arisen” - You reveal & condemn yourself once again. This is Max Blumenthal’s pro-CCP line - so naturally, you copy it.
The standard ideological approach is that of genocide denialism, which you predictably copy here. Also, seeking to discredit all who report or witnessed the abuses. The fact that international agencies such as Human Rights Watch & Amnesty confirm the regime’s crimes against humanity is expediently ignored. You only believe genocidal ideologues & tyrants.
Chinese regime continues to commit human rights abuses against Uyghurs & other ethnic & religious minorities in Xinjiang, characterised as genocide. Beginning in 2014, regime incarcerated in excess of one million Turkic Muslims without any legal process in camps. (China is not a rule of law system, so such abuses cannot be challenged, human rights cannot be vindicated, etc.) Operations from 2016-2021 dramatically increased scale & scope of the concentration camp system (largest-scale detention of ethnic & religious minorities since WWII). Since 2017, 16,000 mosques have been razed or damaged, & hundreds of thousands of children have been forcibly separated from their parents.
Regime policies incl the arbitrary detention of Uyghurs in state camps, forced labour, suppression of Uyghur religious practices, political indoctrination, severe ill-treatment, forced sterilisation, forced contraception, & forced abortion. (”China cuts Uighur births with IUDs, abortion, sterilization”. AP. 28 Jun 2020. Archived from original on 16 Dec 2020.) Chinese govt statistics reported that from 2015-2018, birth rates in the mostly Uyghur regions of Hotan and Kashgar fell by more than 60%. In the same period, the birth rate of the whole country decreased by 9.69%. Chinese authorities acknowledged that birth rates dropped by almost a third in 2018 in Xinjiang, but denied reports of forced sterilisation & genocide. Birth rates in Xinjiang fell a further 24% in 2019, compared to a nationwide decrease of 4.2%.
These actions have been described as the forced assimilation of Xinjiang, or as an ethnocide or cultural genocide, or as genocide. Those accusing China of genocide point to intentional acts committed by the regime that they say run afoul of Article II of the Genocide Convention, which prohibits “acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part,” a “racial or religious group” incl “causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group” & “measures intended to prevent births within the group.” (Text of Convention on the Prevention & Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, UNHCHR.)
On foot of the genocide, the Chinese regime has conducted propaganda campaigns on social media to further denial of the abuses. In 2021, the regime posted thousands of videos showing residents of Xinjiang denying claims of abuse; a joint investigation by ProPublica & The NYT found videos were part of an influence campaign coordinated by the regime’s propaganda dept. They have also used their existing disinformation networks, incl social media trolls, to deny the Uyghur genocide.
In 2020, during interview with Andrew Marr on BBC, Chinese ambassador to UK denied any abuse against Uyghurs despite being shown drone footage of shackled Uyghur, & other minority ethnic, prisoners being herded on to trains during a prison transfer. Ambassador also blamed reports of forced sterilisations on “some small group of anti-China elements.”
The abuses, & existence of the camp network, have also been denied by small minority of US left-wing media outlets. These incl a left-wing blog called LA Progressive which began publ their denial articles in Apr 2020, while The Grayzone has been the most influential outlet to publ articles denying “China’s ongoing repression of the Uyghur people.” The Grayzone has been featured by Chinese state media, incl CGTN & the Global Times.
And, as an example, your frame of it as “unsubstantiated claims of organ harvest & forced sterilization & camps” constitutes intentional genocide denial. You expediently ignore findings of international human rights agencies (or “Human rights blah blah,” as you describe them) & immediately attempt to deploy tactic of poisoning the well. Because you support genocide. Whatever The Grayzone & the genocidal regimes say, you repeat without question. That it involves so many human lives is clearly of absolutely no interest to you.
You are an actual genocide denier.
“presenting an alternative view” - That an ongoing genocide is not happening? This is your alternative view? Decades ago, your “alternative view” would likely have been to similarly deny the Holodomor, the Holocaust, the Great Leap Famine, the Killing Fields, etc. etc. You probably deny them now, it’s just that they’re not “live” issues for you. Now it’s the new atrocities & ideological genocides that you’re busily denying, with your indefatigable “resolve.”
“situ won’t change, & neither will my resolve to challenge it” - Deceitfully challenge the truth of genocide, you mean.
“Grayzone one of many sources on net” - You’re one of the many uneducated trolls who has been made even more hatefully ignorant by the internet. Not a happy development.
All of your propaganda sources - all con theorists, like yourself - you describe as “reliable counter-prop sources.”
“will deride & discount as Putin bots simply because they” are.
“It’s easier to dismiss those he doesn’t agree with, instead of examining what they have to say.” - I have. You have not. You just copy/paste. That’s not examination. This is more of your Putinesque “accusation in a mirror,” the hate-speech incitement technique where one falsely attributes to one’s adversaries the intentions that one has for oneself and/or the actions that one is in the process of enacting.
“Those who believe everyth they’re told are afraid to think for selves” - Yet again, you describe yourself. And a genocide denier into the bloody bargain. You select the most despotic regimes & genocidal ideologies, & then unreservedly believe/repeat whatever self-serving prop they feed you. You are quite clearly incapable of truly rational, logical thought or reflection. You evince nothing of the sort. Mindlessly copying out hateful con theories is not thinking for yourself.
Characteristically, you’re “informed” by a categorical clowns’ gallery. This goes to explain all that con theory nonsense you swallow. You fail to demonstrate - likely because you never evolved - any rational judgment or analytical skills.
“got a lot more time for such things than I have” - You cannot pretend to be busy, with your incessant record of hateful trolling. Copying/pasting your failed, incoherent bot talking points - here & elsewhere. Impotently shilling for your despotic, billionaire idol, Putin. It’s a little late to try to create a narrative of busyness. As a genocide-denying troll, you provoke only reasonable people’s contempt.
June 10th, 2023
Look at all of the Leftist arse clowns clapping like seals… pathetic brainwashed nimrods…
I will not read some book written by a welfare queen who launders money for democrats
June 11th, 2023
“Leftist arse clowns?” That’s a bit rude. You sound exactly like the hateful heinrich Wobbly1933.
June 11th, 2023
VIVA Ukraine!
The orange revolution lives! The young intelligent people of Russia aren’t fooled by Russian propaganda. Now is the time to bring down Putin’s aggression and his oppression of freedom.
Also, it’s a shameful fact that the Trumpsters have such influence on the Republican party. It’s eerily like the Nazi party IMO. Facts and reason mean nothing. It’s more a religious movement of hate and envy and fear (AKA,the dark side, without cookies) with them.
…Ukraine must get everything to fight this invasion and hopefully Putin will fall. The old fker can’t live forever but I want him to die in a hole as evil should.
June 11th, 2023
A discerning Dallis lady. A palace coup (literal palace, in Putin’s case) remains a possibility, with Putin’s liability quotient climbing exponentially. Likely military, as it’d need their support.
There is a generational factor. In Feb 2022, Eliot Higgins of Bellingcat judged that quality of Russian misinformation videos had weakened, but remained esp effective for older generation of Russians (I won’t say “voters,” for obvious reasons). (Harding, Luke; Roth, Andrew; Walker, Shaun (21 Feb 22). “‘Dumb & lazy’: the flawed films of Ukrainian ‘attacks’ made by Russia’s ‘fake factory’” Guardian.)
Observers noted “generational struggle” among Russians over perception of the war, w younger Russians generally opposed to the war & older Russians more likely to accept narrative/prop presented by Russian state-controlled mass media. (”How do young Ukrainians & Russians feel about another war?” Al Jazeera. 7 Feb 22.)
Many Ukrainians say their relatives & friends in Russia trust what state-controlled media tells them & refuse to believe that there is a war in Ukr & that the Russian army is shelling Ukr cities. (Hopkins, Valerie (6 Mar 22). “Ukrainians Find That Relatives in Russia Don’t Believe It’s a War” NYT. - & - Lucas, Ryan (6 Mar 22). “Relationships across Ukraine-Russia border feel the strain of war” NPR.)
Regarding Trump supporters (this page & elsewhere) - Thomas Rid observed that right-wing adoption of the Ukr bioweapons con theory may be influenced by the COVID-19 lab leak/con theory.
On the darkness of the propaganda generally: it’s truly grim, as can be seen here. It attracts some intensely vulnerable individuals, as evidenced in the above instance of Wobbly1933’s genocide denial (essentially support for genocide & the full spectrum of human rights abuses, including rape, torture, mass murder).
June 12th, 2023
I have just posted a response to the Narcissist’s post. Yet for some reason it is ‘awaiting moderation’. Which as experience has shown, is a euphemism for ‘it won’t get published’.
No swearwords, nothing half as vicious as the others printed on here.
But it’s ‘awaiting moderation’.
June 12th, 2023
Which kinda makes you wonder what criteria are used in censoring these comments.
June 12th, 2023
Can’t resist this, though, another example of bad faith in action: “one has to tread thru sludge” - Interesting that you describe the truthful detailing of the most grave human rights abuses as “sludge.”
No, Narcaesar. Deceitful as per. And highly demonstrative of my point, and of your relentless wilful misconstruction.
The ’sludge’ I refer to is your habit of slipping lies and insults in with your fervid verbiage. You know the kind of thing: you cherry pick words from a sentence, deliberately misconstrue them, and use your misreading as a reason to let one off, verbally speaking (though they’re from the same place as the wind variety) viz, ‘Hitler and Stalin were your heroes, you bottom feeding hypostatic crige machine!!!!’ or some such. We’ve all seen it. It’s sludge. And it has either to be waded through or completely unread.
Most of the time, specially if it’s ludicrously lengthy, it gets unread. Only someone with a way over-inflated ego would imagine anybody would waste their time reading 4, 000 odd words of your own cut’n’paste regurgitated propaganda. Try to be more succinct, for Christ’s sake.
According to your tedious posts, this Ukraine/Russian conflict is the first war in recorded history that all the atrocities were committed by just one side. Just one small ounce of common sense ought to tell you different.
And just for the record, so I don’t have to repeat it, I am not in favour of war. Certainly not in favour of those whose actions deliberately bring it about, then express horror and disgust at their own creation. While making fortunes from feeding it weapons.And ignoring crises in their own countries.
Quote: ‘On the darkness of the propaganda generally: it’s truly grim, as can be seen here.’
That may actually be a rare unwitting truth from the Narcissist. Any truth he utters is ‘unwitting’. An individual who reckons anyone who refuses to accept without question claims of genocide when they come from unreliable sources is tantamount to supporting it.
Grim indeed. That’s what passes for logic on ABB.
June 12th, 2023
So far I have ‘explicitly denied genocide’, which is ‘crossing an ultimate line’.
I have had the barefaced gall to suggest there might well be a deal of Washington-funded propaganda to that allegation of genocide. And that ‘genocide’ is always used to describe any victims, real or otherwise, of regimes the USA is in contention with. Friends of Washington suppress, its enemies commit genocide. Those in countries within the Washington coterie, like Turkey with the Kurds, Saudi and Bahrain with their protesters and Israel with the Palestinians, are never accused of such horrors. Nor is Israel accused of annexing part of a ‘sovereign country’ as it is doing in Syria’s Golan Heights.. And America is doing in Syria, helping to cause ‘genocide’ among those who can no longer feed themselves.
Still, in the characteristically hysterical vituperation of the Narcisssist, suggesting all may not be as it’s propagandised, is the equal of holocaust denial. Writing this in the same sentence as ‘I’ll reserve judgement here.’ I’ve skim-read the rest. And found it as unwittingly self-contradictory as that second sentence.
The narcissist always starts on the ceiling. Leaving him nowhere else to go but through the roof.
June 12th, 2023
I know there’s no point responding to a racist genocide denier, but Wobbly1933’s manifest, hateful lies linger, like the most offensive smell. (4 hysterical posts?!)
When you’re at the subterranean level of actual genocide denial, then you’ve soiled yourself, in debased con theory terms. There’s no legitimate way back from supporting genocide. Nothing you say can reverse or repair that. Okay, you’re an isolated, vulnerable character, but that is not an excuse or justification for what you chose to do.
And blaming your usual con theory “Dark Forces” for censoring you (Jeeewz! again?) - a transparent ploy, when you consistently fail to present any credible arguments. All your copy/paste con theories collapsed. And that was your very best try.
“No swearwords” - P’haps time to rethink all your copy/paste lies & weaponised con theories?
“nothing as vicious as others here” - You’re explicitly denying genocide - you are supporting that genocide by “problematising” & equivocating on it, as your Grayzone does. It doesn’t get any more vicious or evil than that. All on you.
As to your standard, Putinesque “Accusation in a mirror” - your false claim accusing your target of tactic that you’re deceitfully trying: “one has to tread thru sludge” - Interesting that you describe truthful detailing of the most grave human rights abuses as “sludge.”
Intriguing that you omitted your own characterisation of fundamental rights as “Human rights blah blah.” And there you truly are.
As for “Try more succinct” - why don’t you just link to Grayzone - the source of your lies, it’d save your copy/paste efforts?
“Ukr/Ru 1st war all atrocities committed one side” - What are you flatulating about here? More distracting rot? The principal onus is upon the imperial invader, you clown, not victims of invasion. You know, Ukrainians who have been tortured, raped, murdered - all the accounts you wouldn’t read - the “Human rights blah blah” for which you have utter contempt.
“I not in favour of war” - How is it possible to deal with this level of stupidity? You have no self-awareness whatsoever.
“Cert not in favour those whose actions delib bring it abt” - Astounding. You have slavishly supported Putin throughout, as you have supported tyrants & genocidal ideologies on a global basis.
“claims genocide they come fr unreliable sources” - More evil garbage. Established international human rights agencies confirm these actions by the Chinese regime. (Same HR agencies which condemn Turkey, Saudis, Israel, etc.)
All you have is Grayzone, which actively supports the genocidal regime. You mindlessly repeat material from “unreliable sources” which support genocide. You are the emptiest of vessels.
You’ve completely undermined your own lies - again. Wholly in line with your slavish support for repeated human rights abuses of Assad regime & Hamas - a group which kills Palestinian children, in the process of using them.
But look away quick - “WhataboutAmerica?!”
Racist genocide deniers like you are trying to turn the public square into a public padded cell. Look at yourself - you may imagine that you’re part of some puffed-up extreme wave to install & support your onanistic fantasy of the “strong man” - but it’s just a dank, lonely basement of hateful failure in reality. Stop hating people, and you might finally begin to live.
June 13th, 2023
@Webby1948: you have not been censored. There are various trigger words that trigger filters, to block spam and some obscenities.
You love conspiracy theories and you must be thrilled to think that you’re the target of one, but whatever the problem it’s a purely technical issue.
June 14th, 2023
Characteristic of all the rightwing trolls on here that, while dwelling under the umbrella of state and media deception, they allege that all those not sharing their prejudices are ‘conspiracy theorists’.
I questioned why my post was and is ‘awaiting moderation’,and pondered what the censors’ scare points were.
Maybe mine was scotched because I suggested The Narcissist was under the influence of mind altering substances, or referred to him by his plainly evident disorder. I might even have suggested his tightly-sourced examples were redolent of the use of ChatGPT. If I didn’t I’m suggesting it now. AI cannot differentiate between contrary accounts but can be led towards certain results by terms such as ‘Russian atrocities in Ukraine War’. Conveniently ignoring those which show Ukrainian war crimes, such as shooting defenceless POWs in the head. And posting the video online.
Either way, my previous is still awaiting moderation. with no swearwords, or obscenities therein. So it seems it will stay.
For now: The Narcissist’s ludicrously extensive ‘comment’ was posted presumably with the intent of proving something. It has . It has proven that whereas he has refused to accept any of the claims posted by myself or indeed those of any others who do not simply parrot the prevailing western narrative, he does not apply any cynicism towards those from the corporate media. And is delighted to retail them without question as if they are, by dint of being on the telly or in papers or on the radio, unassailable truths. He quotes ‘fact checking ‘ sites as proof of the veracity of his comments with almost endearing gullibility. Government sources too, as though neither is funded by the interests their reports claim to justify.
What logic lies in insisting sites and commentators who rely solely on subscriptions and donations from independent, non-governmental contributors, are secretly funded by foreign,’enemy’ organisations and are therefore untrustworthy, while applying no such skepticism towards sources who are all without exception funded by corporate interests beholden to the trillion dollar defence industry?
This century alone, the western populace both sides of the Atlantic has witnessed deception after deception by its media, and is yet still willing to believe the same actors when they adopt remarkably similar ploys to draw theirs and other countries into deadly conflict. WMD, ‘Killing his own people,’ Douma, White Helmets, Pakistan, Kosovo, Nord Stream 2 and recently the Kakhovka Dam, are just a few of the ideologically slanted tales people have accepted at face value from Fox, CNN, BBC, WashPo, NYT, Daily Mail, Guardian et al.It shows no signs of stopping, and nor do people seem to be running out of credulity.
Washington may not approve of other countries’ way of governance and may covet their resources, but it does not have the right to interfere with a view to regime change. Millions have died this century alone in pursuit of ideological and financial domination.
And believing everything the media says will not change anything. It’s time to question why, not simply shout ‘conspiracy theory’.
June 14th, 2023
No. There is no way back from your racist genocide denial & consequent support. Absolutely nothing you can say that will reverse or repair that choice. We have enough racist genocide deniers on this site - & Jew-haters as well.
You explicitly deny genocide - you support that genocide by equivocating on it. Nothing you say is credible after such a lie.
“claims genocide they come fr unreliable sources” - Your lies. Established international human rights agencies confirm these actions by Chinese regime. (Same HR agencies which condemn Turkey, Saudis, Israel, etc.)
All you have is Grayzone, which supports the genocidal regime. You mindlessly repeat material from “unreliable sources” which support genocide.
And your copy/paste efforts remain censored by sinister “Dark forces.” However, your lies still get through, so why complain?
But to lose any instance of your genocide denial or support - what a profound cultural & intellectual loss that represents. Together with your Putinesque “Accusation in a mirror” ploys.
Along with your other received troll tricks, they fail when they’re identified.
“state & media deception” - You swallow any ludicrous prop sourced from Putin state media. (Ukr biolabs - Jesus wept.)
“mind alter substances” - For those to take effect, you’d have to satisfy the elementary “mind” requirement first, heinrich. Bad enough that you’re hopped up on any risible internet con theory you’re fed.
‘Russ atrocities in Ukr War’ - Yes, all the “Human rights blah blah” which you refuse to read. Including the torture of defenceless Ukrainian children, gang rape, mass murder, corpses of the murdered mutilated & maimed - filmed & posted online. This last atrocity also done by Russian nazi paramilitary organisation, Rusich.
In a video, publ in 2020, the leader, Milchakov openly discusses killing Ukrainians. Milchakov’s colleague, Aleksei, says, “I’m not going to go deep and say, I’m a nationalist, a patriot, an imperialist, and so forth. I’ll say it outright: I’m a Nazi.” & “You have to understand that when you kill a person, you feel the excitement of the hunt. If you’ve never been hunting, you should try it. It’s interesting,” he said.
This Russian nazi group, amongst several others, has committed multiple atrocities in Ukraine & Syria. All of which you obsequiously support, Wobbly1933.
And of course, all of these atrocities are due to the initial crime of Putin’s imperial invasion of sovereign Ukraine. Naturally, the onus is on Putin, as the imperial invader.
“refused accept claims posted by myself or others” - No, I refuted them - you were just afraid to read the refutations. Brilliant counter, as per. As for your more sophisticated, nodding friend, “eyeballs” - complaining abt “all the Leftist arse clowns” - precisely what informed claim was he making?
“do not simply parrot prevailing west narrat” - No, you simply (very simply) & unquestioningly parrot Putin’s narrative instead (& that of the genocidal Chinese regime as well).
Yes, why not finally apply a modicum of reasoned scepticism towards Putin state media & its nodding internet parrots? Instead of being so “delighted to retail them sans question as if they are, by dint being on Grayzone, unassailable truths.” You quote sources approved by Putin’s & the Chinese regime as proof of the “veracity” of your comments with witless gullibility. You source from Grayzone as though it’s not funded by the Russian interests its reports claim to justify.
Why no scepticism, why no questioning whatsoever?
Why just demented con theories such as “all without exception funded corporate interests beholden trillion doll defence indust?” - Any proof at all? Identify & source that evidence. Then apply that exact procedure to the sources you uncritically swallow, copy & paste.
Also, when you try to accuse, you must disprove each individual instance, each discrete event. You have again absolutely failed to do so. You’ve just managed another very obvious con theory smokescreen.
“Atlantic witness decept aft decept by media” - Have the Russians, Chinese, N Koreans, Iranians (& all other peoples imprisoned by despotic regimes & genocidal ideologies - which you slavishly support) - not witnessed continuous, blanket deception by media which is absolutely controlled by their tyrannical states? And how are the relative situations remotely comparable? Yet you always believe the continuous, blanket deception by media which is absolutely controlled by despotic states. If you’re trying to be credible, the attempt is once again transparently catastrophic.
“‘Killing his own people,’ Douma, White Helmets, Pakistan, Kosovo, Nord Stream 2 & Kakhovka Dam, few ideologically slanted tales” - Are you able to substantiate anything at all of what you’re asserting here - crucially while using credible sources? This means no more of your copy/paste efforts from your con theory sources, Putin state media, the Chinese regime, Grayzone or George Galloway(!) - none of which have any credibility whatsoever?
More distracting WhatAboutAmerica?! - “Washington not approve countries’ governance covet resources, not have right interfere regime change. Millions died century pursuit of ideological/financial domination.” Unknown to the copy/paste artist, where “Washington” is deployed here, Moscow or Beijing can be substituted - their genocides included. And we have the most appalling century in human history still being “progressed” by both despotic imperial states.
Believing everything Putin media says will not change anything. Question why, don’t simply copy/paste more of your mindless con theories.
You might “think” your Putinesque “strong man” fantasy is the future, but even you must guess at the reality. Your failure has isolated you & made you a hateful, boring internet troll. You take refuge in power worship. However, your personal failures & susceptibility offer no coherent excuse for your racist support for atrocities & genocide. Finally try to look at yourself.
June 15th, 2023
@Webby1948 “Maybe mine was scotched because I suggested The Narcissist was under the influence of mind altering substances, or referred to him by his plainly evident disorder. I might even have suggested his tightly-sourced examples were redolent of the use of ChatGPT. If I didn’t I’m suggesting it now.”
You’re a paranoid, id1otic conspiracy theorist. Unfortunately we don’t have an automatic block for that, as is proven by the dozens of pages of offensive lunacy you post every day.
If your post is blocked from posting, it obviously has hit a spam filter, as no human is in the loop or could act that fast. So now you posit we have a cutting edge AI that randomly blocks your posts, and only yours, all to protect Caesar. That is a Trump-level ridiculous narcissistic conspiracy fantasy.
June 25th, 2023
I am terrified that Ukraine will end up taking a similar or worse deal in the (one day) peace negotiation than what was brokered by Israel at the start of the war, that was promptly rejected by Boris Johnson and the Biden regime.
The only difference being the western people will be much more in debt, low on our own defense material, and with a unbelievable and unacceptable amount of Ukrainians dead. That’s a big cost to us all and for what?
I was not saying that Ukraine is responsible and I did not mean to imply that it is they who need to call an end to the killing. It surly the powers in the west along with very corrupt leaders in Ukraine who have been driving this conflict forward at the expense of the Ukrainian people. And it is these very same powers who could have brought this conflict to end if they had wanted to. And if the people of the west had not so easily been turned by their propaganda machine to support such a blatant situation.
Instead we fought with each other rather than with our government and military defense contractors.
I hope it will serve at least then as a wakeup call to those so easily driven from their true convictions which are fundamentally anti-war and pro-peace by the modern propaganda machine by which they were too easily taken. and fervently
I hope I am wrong but the further along this goes it becomes less likely.
June 25th, 2023
@Columbia21 “It surly the powers in the west along with very corrupt leaders in Ukraine who have been driving this conflict forward at the expense of the Ukrainian people.”
Yeah, sure. Putin sent 100,000 troops and tanks and bombs into Ukraine. That was all Biden’s plan. To distract from Hunter’s nude selfies.
Someone who might know what was actually going on:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-24/wagner-boss-says-moscows-war-in-ukraine-based-on-lies/102519130
“The Defence Ministry is trying to deceive society and the president and tell us a story about how there was crazy aggression from Ukraine and that they were planning to attack us with the whole of NATO,” Mr Prigozhin said in a video clip released on Telegram by his press service, calling the official version “a beautiful story”.
“The special operation was started for different reasons,” he said.
“The war was needed … so that Shoigu could become a marshal … so that he could get a second ‘Hero’ (of Russia) medal. The war wasn’t needed to demilitarise or denazify Ukraine.”
Sitting on a chair with a giant black Wagner flag behind him, Mr Prigozhin said the war had also been needed to enrich the ruling elite who, he said, were not satisfied with the commercial potential of part of Ukraine’s Donbas region that Moscow seized control of in 2014 via a proxy separatist force.
“The task was to divide material assets (in Ukraine),” he said.
“There was massive theft in the Donbas, but they wanted more.”
July 19th, 2023
Scumbag Nazi war criminal.
July 24th, 2023
@wulfrache Dumb vatnik.
FFS. Zelensky is Jewish. His great-grandparents were killed by the Nazis.
August 10th, 2023
Zelensky is scum and it’s absolutely no surprise to find the usual unthinking clowns cheering on his destruction of the Ukrainian people to make the Biden crime family and their war-mongering chums richer.
Another American forever war, engineered to ensure that it’s fought in a corrupt dump and the only ones dying are poor and uneducated. And it’s wrapped up in just enough patriotic nonsense to ensure an endless supply of low-IQ hacks running to the defense of this action.
There was a time when “liberals” thought for themselves, it’s clear from the comments above that that time has long since passed.
August 17th, 2023
It’s absolutely no surprise to find MAGA weenies attacking Zelensky. They lick Putin’s feet, like Trump, for all his strong man posturing and racism and homophobia. A real role model. And Zelensky’s rebuffing Trump’s attempted extortion is just another reason to vilify him.
Zelensky actually won his election in a real landslide against an authoritarian tool of Putin. That must hurt too.
November 23rd, 2024
Thank you
Glory to the heroes.
Slava Ukraini
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