Eating While Black: Food Shaming and Race in America - Psyche A. Williams-Forson Audiobook
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Psyche A. Williams-Forson is one of our leading thinkers about food in America. In Eating While Black, she offers her knowledge and experience to illuminate how anti-Black racism operates in the practice and culture of eating. She shows how mass media, nutrition science, economics, and public policy drive entrenched opinions among both Black and non-Black Americans about what is healthful and right to eat. Distorted views of how and what Black people eat are pervasive, bolstering the belief that they must be corrected and regulated. What is at stake is nothing less than whether Americans can learn to embrace nonracist understandings and practices in relation to food.
Sustainable culture—what keeps a community alive and thriving—is essential to Black peoples’ fight for access and equity, and food is central to this fight. Starkly exposing the rampant shaming and policing around how Black people eat, Williams-Forson contemplates food’s role in cultural transmission, belonging, homemaking, and survival. Black people’s relationships to food have historically been connected to extreme forms of control and scarcity—as well as to stunning creativity and ingenuity. In advancing dialogue about eating and race, this book urges us to think and talk about food in new ways in order to improve American society on both personal and structural levels.
Psyche A. Williams-Forson, the author of Building Houses out of Chicken Legs: Black Women, Food, and Power is a professor of American studies at the University of Maryland, College Park.
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This post has 24 comments with rating of 2.7/5
January 13th, 2023
“Racist food.” Love it.
January 13th, 2023
Everything has to be about race these days. Let it go. Black and white people eat the same foods.
January 13th, 2023
Author: “Hmm, what can I complain about next?”
January 13th, 2023
Maybe this Black chick is like really, really, really into that chicken so she’s really self conscious, but nobody is paying attention because what’s new about a fat Black chick lovin on some chicken, but she’s really self conscious about lovin chicken so she’s obsessing about why she’s so obsessed with lovin that chicken sooo much. And then she was watch MSNBC Joy Reid and it hit her. It was so obvious. Fat Black Mama had to be lovin on the chicken because of those damn paste face White Mutha…UMFFPPP RACISM
January 13th, 2023
Years ago I was part of a team pulling a night shift to rewire a data center. One of the student workers there wanted a watermelon but didn’t have a car. I was going on a food run anyway so told her I’d pick one up along with everything my team wanted. She told me she shouldn’t. I told her it was a watermellon, had nothing in the way of calories and life was too short not to eat good food. She then explained to me that people, mostly white, had teased her for being black and liking watermelon. This was not something I’d ever heard of before but she wasn’t pulling a “feel sorry for me” thing, she wanted watermelon and felt legitimately ashamed of wanting watermelon, she wouldn’t even meet my eyes when she was telling me why she was ashamed.
I got her a watermelon and the team a watermelon and everyone had some and no one cared, but someone in her past cared enough to make her feel terrible about liking fruit. Data cener came back online and I learned that it kind of sucks to be black in some parts of the US for reasons that had never occurred to me.
Anyway, I later spent some time in the deep south (that part of the south where they speak English but you’re not sure if its actually English when you first hear it.) I stayed with some old friends who actually were racist (one generation out of the KKK) and yeah making fun of black people for food preferences (and literary everything else,) is absolutely a thing. Most people like watermelon, but if you’re black and grew up in some parts of the US it means something more than it should. Same with fried chicken and certain low quality beverages.
Still seems absurd but no more absurd than racism in general. Anyway, I can confirm that this is a real thing that racists do and that black people (maybe other groups too but I’ve only ever seen it with black people) feel bad about.
January 13th, 2023
That watermelon thing featured on a recent episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm. They just made a laugh of it, of course, but often such cultural refs from other countries come across quite peculiar (I’m not American, so Calpurnia & myself were looking at each other, saying “watermelon?!”).
Not to complain about it or anything, but being Irish you hear that kind of stuff as well, jokes about the Great Famine, that kind of thing. Even on here you have racist types using racially-coded language (tbh, English people are the most racist). Jewish people get it too.
So, yeah, I can see how it’s a thing.
January 13th, 2023
White people, “eat better food and exercise so you will live longer
Black people, “you raaaaaacist bastards!”
January 13th, 2023
@caesar963
Interesting. I looked that up, yep, that’s pretty well exactly how the student worker acted about watermelon. Thanks for mentioning it. I never really liked the whole woke idea of “privilege” because it seems like a drastic oversimplification, but I can certainly see how having to both confront the normal challenges of living while also being judged on a bunch of nonsense (like eating watermelon) could wear a person down.
Here’s the URL if anyone else want to watch it. Again, this is a real thing, weird as it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkXrACo-2Cc
It becomes less weird that black people feel this way when you see cartoons like this. The watermelon eating is at 3:20. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUYarKCTvIk
I imagine if people made up a mean version of who people that looked like me were I’d probably do my best not to be anything like that too.
The stereotypes I hear about the Irish as an American are: violent when drunk, don’t have great food, historically effective at organized crime and very rarely stuff about potatoes or the Troubles, except the kind of people who know about the Troubles in America tend not to believe in stereotypes in the first place. There used to be a thing about Irish girls not using birth control and having lots of kids, but I haven’t heard that one in about 20 years. Mostly when Ireland comes up its in the context of corporations dodging taxes.
Pretty well all the hate I get is over my health problems and that people don’t believe that someone who looks like I do could have health problems. My ethnic background (Norwegian/Swedish) had some stereotypes back in the 50s, mostly about lutefisk (which is fair, frankly, I’m not a fan of the stuff) but now we’re mostly seen as the overly masculine protagonists of historical dramas and romance novels. Kinda like a “safe” version of black men for the kind of person who wants hyper-masculinity and is daft enough to think that’s a trait defined by height or skin color. And there has also been a thing for tall men among the vapid social media crowd for the last 10 or so years, a fad if you will, like how purse dogs were a thing among the rich elite for a while.
I think part of why there’s not racist stuff about my ethnic groups is that, as far as I know, my ethnic background was never really invaded by any external power. We were the violence doers rather than the victims of it. Most of the stereotypes we have seem to have been created by people who imposed their culture on others and then needed to justify it after the fact with dehumanization to avoid feeling bad about it.
This (and land theft) is why we still have the white man’s burden as part of our legal system. Its okay to break treaties because we gave the natives nicer shoes and religion and taught them basic math so they’re much better off! The record suicide rates, mental health struggles and other forms of escapism? Entirely their fault for not integrating with our clearly superior culture that we’ll never let them forget they’re not part of!
January 13th, 2023
Its true there is a lot of racism in the USA, but its pretty much still decreasing, we have come a long way since the 1960’s. But I am seeing a trend now with food, where fat is considered beautiful (by whom??) and I have seen many people including nutritionists telling people that you can eat whatever you want if it makes you happy! And eating vegetable’s means you can have fat sugary foods as a reward. Obesity is be8ing promoted in this country and they just rewrote the food pyramid saying sugary breakfast foods are healthy for you, and anything from animals is unhealthy and should be avoided. I believe part of this is by the pharma companies (Eli Lilly, the largest, makes most of its money from Diabetes and weight loss), and our medical institutions and processed food goliaths are doing their best to keep people from eating whole and healthy foods. Neither the Pharma or Medical institutions want healthy people, its bad for business. Let this be a warning to you, unless you like being sick and now, eating insects, stay away from processed and boxed/packaged foods and only eat whole foods like fruits/veggies/nuts/seeds/meat/fish/chick/eggs etc…
Funny thing, most of the videos I saw telling you being fat is healthy, and eat what makes you feel good were blacks. I hesitant to think that the globalists who want population reduction are targeting them for the reason of killing them off, although it extends to everyone else as well. This world is a psychotic mess, cant wait to leave it.
January 14th, 2023
I had to look up lutefisk. Sounds fairly scrumptious to me (but then I am criminally drunk at the moment, so my culinary standards are subject to subterranean slippage - even more so than usual).
You guys notoriously came here pillaging & slaughtering. Ye operated the largest slave market in Europe from Dublin (the most lucrative destinations were always in the Islamic world).
Dubgaill & Finngaill are Middle Irish terms used to denote different rival groups of Vikings in Ireland. Literally, “dark & fair foreigners/heathens” - the chronicles have it that from 851, “The Dubhghoill arrived in Ath Cliath [Dublin], and made a great slaughter of the Finnghoill.”
It always sounds like something from The Silmarillion, I think.
There is a long tradition of understanding Dubgaill as Danish Vikings & Finngaill as Norwegian Vikings.
Icelandic people enjoy both Norwegian & Gaelic ancestry.
Mitochondrial DNA work demonstrates that about half of Iceland’s founding females were of Gaelic ancestry. They were likely “invited” there by you lot. Birth control was probably not a consideration.
January 14th, 2023
this new wave of far left woke books are a textbook case of normalizing victim-hood and externalizing the problem. There is no amount of racism that can compare to the garbage of food and culture that black folk are consuming out of their own apparent free will, and i’ve seen first hand how many have their priorities and interests totally arse-backward.Take the scamdemic and the mask wearing cult for example, An experimental procedure thats going to harm them more than other races, esp with the history of eugenics and Kill Gates, and many fell for that scam. Seems like for all the ‘uneducated’ and ‘uncivilized’ native africans, they had far more sense on that account. And dont get me started on the dumbing down of modern rap and hip hop.
January 14th, 2023
hmmm, what about the postcolonial, poststructural discursive analysis conveyed by WAP? And its erudite intertextual critique of “I like big butts & I cannot lie?” The intellectual substance inherent in WAP will keep academia fluidly beavering away for decades.
January 14th, 2023
It’s 2023 and the milking of the imaginary racist cow still hasn’t slowed down.
January 14th, 2023
I have to say, Psyche is an exceptionally cool name for a kid. Much respect. If we hadn’t gone with Octavian & Octavia, I’d be all over that 1.
January 14th, 2023
And here’s Gordoncoon, like a little racist moth to a flame.
Haven’t seen you for a while Gordon. I was really hoping you hadn’t succumbed to the inevitable and committed a mass shooting somewhere.
Though I imagine you’d only succeed in shooting off your own big toe before being tasered to within an inch of your life and pummelled in the back of the van.
Happy new year, you daft fascist.
January 14th, 2023
@caesar
I’ve got texture issues with lutefisk. But I respect your right to differ on the point.
Oh my ancestors were complete scum bags, no denying that. A major topic of research back in my undergrad days (by me and almost no one else at the time, though that has changed in the intervening years) was why so many of my native and tribal friends had offed themselves and how to encourage fewer of them to take that route in the future. The answer being that having your culture oppressed is depressing and not being able to do much about it is even more depressing. Being angry about it and recognizing the fact that you were wronged helps, but it has to come from within the group. Which is one reason we see such different outcomes between native groups in the US and native groups in places like New Zealand. It is almost impossible to be overwhelmingly sad and filled with righteous fury simultaneously.
That and being allowed to keep your culture, changing it not because some [insert group of either a religious or political bent here] beat you for your language or traditions until you stopped having them, but because you decided there were better options seem to be determining factors.
I guess I should probably pay you reparations. Unfortunately I am extremely poor. So, for the moment those will consist of saying sorry. I’m sorry my ancestors were a bunch of migratory rapists, murderers and thieves at your ancestors. In my effort to do better I have never raped or murdered. Though I have thieved. Albeit mostly from rich corporations, none of which (whom under American jurisprudence) are Irish. One fellow who I think had an English background, but who may have had some Irish in there somewhere did rude things to some female friends of mine. He had IBS so we stole all the toilets and sinks in their office one wintery evening. Left everything else, including the safe, I have to imagine great confusion was had by the employees arriving the next day. But, other than him, everything I’ve done was targeted at corporations.
Any stereotypes around my ethnic group in your culture of a more recent vintage? And is there cultural memory of the evil stuff we did to your people? To be clear, I wasn’t trying to be insulting with the stereotypes I shared, I just find the assumptions people make about other people (with no real evidence) to be interesting and assume you might too. Apologies if that’s not the case.
Could I perhaps impose on you to suggest a history book on Ireland? Its always been on my to-do reading list but most of the fare I get is actually English or Roman history mentioning Ireland in passing. Any titles written by your people about your people would be appreciated.
January 14th, 2023
@Hogweed
I always try to research things people say that I’m not clear on. So far as I can tell the current iteration of the USDA food pyramid is the MyPlate (a profoundly uninspired name) which is here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/usdagov/37076626350/sizes/l
I don’t see anything suggesting that sugary breakfast cereals are now suggested as a reasonable thing to eat. Limiting sugar to 50 grams a day, as that chart suggests, would pretty well exclude most sugary breakfast foods. Do you have a source for the USDA promoting higher sugar intake? It would also be odd for the USDA to suggest not eating animal products given things like USDA beef grading and the substantial lobby power the meat industry has over the USDA. Note that I’m not saying we shouldn’t eat meat, its just a fact that the meat industry has a lot of power in terms of USDA policies, a main reason milk intake is suggested to be 3 cups, more than anything else on the list.
January 14th, 2023
With Scandinavians - all the stereotypes we might have are positive. The weird thing is that they seem to have worked all that aggression out of their systems a millennium ago (apart from raiding & pillaging toilets during the dead of winter - this could be some latent, atavistic urge?). We get lots of friendly tourists from there (returning to the scene of the crime, as ’twere).
I know there was no insult! I’m fascinated by the history in this area (all history, tbh). It’s easy enough to tell when a person’s being deliberately insulting. Still, it’s a shame you can’t see your way to some reparations. I’ll just have to continue camping outside the Norwegian embassy.
On history books, as the bubbly corporate types might say, “Thanks for your interest!”
Survey & reference type bks - Roy Foster’s “Modern Ireland 1600-1972″ is brilliant, on history, culture & literature (he’s written two great bks on Yeats, as well as many other subjects).
“The Oxford Companion to Irish History” by SJ Connolly - the whole shebang, from the dawn of something or other.
Tim Pat Coogan’s book on Michael Collins is good, reads like a thriller at certain points, and gives you the revolutionary period & war of independence (can be complex, but flowed more as it went along).
The Great Courses also have a lecture series which deals with the “Celts” in general: “The Celtic World,” presented by Prof. Jennifer Paxton. She’s quite bubbly too.
January 14th, 2023
Regarding the healthiest breakfast cereal choices, “Count Chocula” is your only man. But if you really want to cut down on sugar, then “Sugar Puffs” are by far the best option.
January 16th, 2023
Thank you very much. Both for the laugh and the reading suggestions, I’ll get the books and give them a read. I think I’ve listened to The Celtic World one before. I remember some stuff about roads and trading, a little about religion and then a whole bunch about Romans and your namesake being a complete jerk. I could be thinking of another course though.
Glad I didn’t give offense. I worry about that. History is a favorite topic of mine too. And how and why cultures change over time.
Ah breakfast cereal. When I was a wee lad I used to start off each day with a cup of the liquid Capuchino concentrates they used to use in commercial coffee machines mixed with the merest sprinkling of a heaping handful of sugar. Formed a delicious (and nutritious, in that carbohydrates are technically nutrients) morning beverage/syrup. That worked for about six months before severe, though I am sure entirely unrelated, side effects forced me to make some breakfast alterations.
On the topic of sweet things if you’re going to sit outside the Norwegian embassy anyway then I heartily recommend that you demand some lefse while you’re about it. The only traditional norse food I actually like. Rolled thin with cinnamon, butter and sugar. Of all the potato derived baked goods I’ve tried from different cultures that’s still my favorite.
January 16th, 2023
Coffee can be a serious irritant (much like my good self), but younglings don’t often favour it due to the bitterness. Although, ludicrous quantities of the demon sugar will tend to balance that out. Lefse sounds good - looks like pancakes too. There’s little that can’t be improved with a decent helping of cinnamon. I like it with oatmeal as well.
If they keep benignly ignoring my unreasonable demands, I might have to raid the Norwegians’ diplomatic toilets. See how they like being pillaged for a change. I can always implicate you. It’ll be like an Onion article.
January 17th, 2023
I hear the jails in Norway are nicer than my house in the US. Implicate away. It’ll be a nice upgrade. :)
January 17th, 2023
Here’s to finally getting you into a nice gaol before the year’s out. Difficult to organise extradition from the US though.
January 26th, 2023
soul food and waffle house fights.
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